By - BigsIice-
I've got a winch on my Crown Victoria. only used once, but it's been good. I would definitely put some high traction tires though. I've got some 31" Grabber ATX's that have not failed me once. definitely recommend. ive also got about 15" from floor to frame, but that was before the new tires. my radiator and differential are the only things below that, so I will be needing to get a skid plate soon. I think good tire placement and wise decisions will be more important. winch is definitely a good cheat card though, no shame in using one. I've got to some cool places that I wouldn't normally get to, even without a locker. maybe you have a vehicle with a lot of aftermarket support, which will definitely help you.
HAHAA it’s an Xterra so maybe some but not a ton thank you for the advice it seems the stuff you see on YT is at the extreme end of it I have some falkens coming soon (edit) dude you having the Vic helps me out a ton with my confidence in going forward used car prices have sky rocketed good luck finding a 4x4 4Runner or Tacoma at a decent price
an xterra will definitely get you to where you want to go, enjoy!
Thank you !
Winch on a crown Vic ?? I would like to see some pictures !!
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That's a beast of a car... I love it !!
Ah, you're that guy. That thing is so cool man.
That thing is pretty rad!
I'd say why waste the $$ to mod a 2wd? not saying go out and buy a 4wd, even though if you can swing it, you should, but I wouldn't waste the $$ to mod a 2wd. Yes you can lift it, throw a locker/lsd, and winch (you also need a bumper or cradle so more $$), but at the end of the day its still 2wd.
If you can't swing for 4wd I'd just bring some maxtrax or knockoffs and go with someone with 4wd until you can upgrade.
To put it in perspective, a 2wd with an open diff is really 1wd. Adding a locker is probably 1-2K and then you still only have 2wd. 4wd with open diffs is still 2wd, and if you get the pro-4x or off road xterra it has a locker, aka 3wd. That's like, 200% better than 1wd lol.
Yeah fair enough there I’ve actually been looking more often for one, being a bit younger idk how to really make the money work lol say if I do find a nice 4WD anything having two cars isn’t ideal but having a beater daily driver isn’t either, but I’ll figure it out along the way. Might have to wait a few years though since used car prices have jumped quite a bit.
your off-roader doesn’t have to be a beater.. i do it every weekend (in an Xterra no less) and drive 35mins to work the other 5 days. it only becomes a beater if you beat on it.
I have 2WD and have been overlanding since 2014 w/out a winch, traction boards or ground clearance. Stick with forest/mining roads. There are PLENTY of them. When the road looks technical ahead, get out and walk it. Pick a line on foot if you can traverse it. I've never been stuck, but I do error on the side of caution.
Well that’s encouraging to hear, thank you I’ll see what I can do because I love my Xterra a lot
it was probably a typo; but it's err* on the side of caution
I'm commenting this on the off chance it's an actual malapropism because that would be pretty amusing for me if I were in your shoes.
Generally, it's best to leave the wench at home.
But seriously, good tires would go a long way, and, depending on your vehicle, you could also consider a locker or limited-slip differential to vastly improve your soft-road traction.
Leave the wench at home and I think I can do a quick mod to the rear diff for that it’s an Xterra
Yes, good tires will get you through most trails assuming you aren’t doing super hardcore stuff. You can even put some tire chains in the cab for when you really need traction.
Yeah true enough I don’t plan on taking on anything crazy
Recovery gear is key, you can start with a high lift jack and high lift winch kit as well as a set of traction boards, this will go a long way and it all can be purchased for way less than a winch and can pull you more than one direction. Then down the road get the winch if you want one. The high lift and winching kit will run you 150.00 and some decent traction boards will run about 100.00 and you can get them all on amazon. A decent winch and mount can run over 1000.00
Ahh so maybe save the winch for later on, appreciate it !
In many circumstances I prefer 2wd with a locker over 4wd.
I’ll have to instal a locker then unless my vehicle has it already
Not sure where you live but you can do a whole lot of overlanding in the western USA with just 2WD and high clearance and some driving skill. So many USFS and BLM roads are actually quite driveable, and traversed by folks in say 2WD pickups all the time.
As others noted I'd get something like a snatch strap, and forget a winch. And better tires, and a good spare.
And harden up the vehicle as best you can. Stuff like long long stretches of washboard and such can beat up a vehicle even more than some harder 4x4 terrain. But again, some prep depends on whether you're in mud, snow, sand, hardpack, etc.
Yeah I live on the east coast so we have nothing but mud haha I’ve been looking into some nice GX470’s but for rn until I have spare money I’ll just try to get used to how to navigate and other things that aren’t needed for 4WD
I've been on plenty of dry dirt trails in my 2wd Tacoma. Check out this article I wrote... https://dirtnsmores.com/best-offroad-recovery-gear-every-4wd-2wd-owner-should-carry/
Oh sweet thanks! Sadly I think where I live 4x4 is essential mud is name of the game here plus some mountain areas as well, but with those aids it shouldn’t be a big issue
Low gearing is just as much of a factor in why 4WD is better.
Nice to hear got some falkens on the way as we speak just need to get that winch plus some boards, but I’ll need some time for skill lol
Don't listen to that other guy, wildpeaks are fantastic.
Got deleted before I saw it lol if not those I’ll look into some grabbers for sure
Wtf are you talking about lmao. Falken has had podium finishes for many years in all kinds of offroad races, including the harshest one. KOH, with several podiums in several classes.
Clearly you are just trolling. Give it a rest.
To be fair I spoke to my local tire place and BFGs or coopers have the run of the place there the falkens were doubted by them, but at what point are you paying a brand name….
Tire shops often have incentives with certain brands and get higher commissions if they sell those brands. So, Tire shops are not a great place to get unbiased opinions about tires. BFG, Toyo, Cooper, definitely paying for the name. Cooper and Toyo perform pretty decently, BFGs are okay for the street, but honestly falkens are very underrated, although people are realizing how good they are and they're becoming more popular lately. They know their tires, one of the best rubber compounds you'll find, honestly.
Well I don’t know too much about tires but you can tell when a product is just over priced for a name
so far from the truth lmao. Falkens are so much better than BFG's. BFG's are overhyped and overpriced.
You are clearly making things up because you're a BFG fanboy lol. I've had OG Falken at's, hankook mts, BFG at (these were factory on my truck....) BFG KM2, Falken MT, some Chinese brand MT, and duratracs, and Toyo at's. Falkens have always lasted the longest. Been the quietest, and had the most traction.
BFG are too soft. They chunk like crazy on gravel and rock. Anyone who actually wheels knows this. BFGs are junk offroad. The AT's were terrible, the KM2 were a little better but still nowhere near as good as Falken or hankooks.
A quick google also shows a ton of people having chunking issues with BFGs when they actually go offroad. They're overpriced and overhyped. Fanboys and people who don't know better are the only people who run em.
Falken also has one of the best warranties for offroad tires on the market. They stand behind their product. If they were junk tires they wouldn't have such a solid warranty behind them otherwise they'd be losing money.
No 2WD will not be able to handle decent trails.
But that is OK, there is still plenty to see and do without going on off-road trails that require 4WD.
Well 2WD alone won’t be able to that’s why I asked about things I can do to improve on top of that
Not as able as joe mother
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Sure you can put better tyres, suspension lift, winch and most beneficial would be a diff lock.
But I still wouldn't take a 2WD on off-road tracks unless it was some sort of buggy or I had driven the track before and knew exactly what it was like.
Most of the easy tracks I have driven require at least low range or 4WD, often both.
I have also found that conditions are often unpredictable. One moment I am driving in 2WD with no problem, the next moment it is 4low, diff locks on and still a struggle to get through.
It can also be a safety risk driving steep tracks without 4WD and low gearing. The front axle driving keeps the car pointed straight up while the rear does the pushing. With only the rear pushing, it can want to step out and put the car on an angle. Not having low gearing also makes it easier for the wheels to break traction.
You would probably make it through a lot of 4WD tracks with a winch and diff lock, but for me not having 4WD just doesn't give the confidence to go out and drive any track I come across.
But there are still many dirt roads leading to remote locations, you can go most places without having a 4WD.
Oh no no I don’t on going to crazy tracks I get what you mean now then we have two different meanings for decent lol thank you for the insight. I mostly was looking at older logging or forest roads nothing crazy but still pretty safe
Put in an LSD?
Limited Slip Differential. I recommend a Torsen.
I’ll def look it up to see if I can get that mod I have an Xterra so it should allow it