Match Thread: Sweden vs. Ukraine | UEFA EURO 2020
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It was a great match, congrats to Ukraine. Never thought they'd win.
And they almost made it to the penalty kickoff
Much better match than Ger Eng
Isak was useless out there
Bye bye IKEA! THANKS UKRAINE... FROM POLAND AND CANADA ;)
Anyone saying the red card was the right call... no... no it wasn't
Your first time watching footy?
lol no. You shouldn’t be allowed to go studs first into someone.
...I'd argue that not giving him a red card without the assistance of VAR was pretty fucking wrong, but what do I know?
Watch this: https://streamye.com/vgbCCN4
this shot puts it beyond a shadow of a doubt for me. studs into the knee going fully against the players momentum. that tackle could end a career.
What? He nearly tore his knee in half mate
The last time we played Ukraine at the Euros was back in 2012 which was 9 years ago already so I’m looking forward to another matchup with Ukraine.
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Piss off Salty Swede.
BYE BYE IKEA!!!! HAHAHA
Yes, that's one of the ugliest injuries I've ever seen on a pitch, but... How on earth was that reckless? The Swedish player got to the ball first, hit it cleanly, did not raise his foot above knee-high. That's called playing soccer (/football). What's reckless about that? The guy who gets there 2nd and plants his foot nearly over-extended already in front of him, that's really unfortunate what happened, but this is one of the most appalling calls I've seen in awhile.
I think the red was also ridiculous, he kicked the ball well before he made contact so I think it was just unlucky not reckless and the VAR review went overboard after watching that sick replay in slow motion.
Yep never a red, Danielson plays the ball and gets it cleanly, the player was unfortunate to catch the follow through.
It's not called "playing football". It was a perfect example of a red flag situation. The injury kicked the player out of the tournament almost certainly. Read the rules.
So the rules say that if he is fucking dumb enough to run into the situation even when he is CLEARLY 2nd to the ball, it's still a red?
Ukrainian guy has himself to blame for that, if that is a red then so is the knee to the face on Berg, but that wasn't even a yellow.
Garbage ref handed the game to Ukraine, such a sick, sick joke.
Don't ask me what the rules say, go read them yourself, and then make a complete moron out of yourself.
I'm not the moron here, you are and so is the ref, even used VAR to check and still made the wrong call.
What a bunch of clowns.
You haven't veen watching footy for long I take it
This is a red card 10/10 times. Yea he was unlucky but straight leg. Knee height. Yea that's a red card every time. Idk who these people crawling from under a rock are talking about. Go learn the rules of the game.
Have watched football for 15 years ago, know very well how it works and also have great judgement
This is not a red card, not at all, guy came in late and has only himself to blame for being injured
Pls shut it you're making a fool of yourself just a quick tip change sport
>even used VAR to check
He didn't "use" VAR, that's not how it works. He had already given a yellow. Then VAR tells him to check because they thought it was a red, after seeing angles and slow-mo. And that "they" is like 3 professional referees. I'm sure you have a better grasp of the rules than those morons though
Obviously I do yeah, since a red was handed out for something that aint a red
Next time I play football imma run inta an opponent late or something and argue it should be a red, because thats what this Ukrainian did
Again, read the rules, you dum-dum, and stop being an irritating prick.
Which is more sickening - the injury, or the bad call directly determining a high-level tournament knockout?
It’s the right call, when there’s a dangerous impact the recklessness of it and the intent behind doesn’t matter when deciding the sanction.
It’s a fair red card, that Swedish players didn’t even try to refute.
That's stupid... so your argument for the red card being valid is that the Danielson didn't "try" to refute. He aimed for the ball, hit the ball, not more than half a second later hits the player, no time to try and avoid hitting the player, and since he made contact with the ball before, the whole thing is just wrong, referee is stupid, and man, technically speaking, it shouldn't even be a yellow card. Lastly, no, the recklessness and the intent is THE thing that matters. It's not like he can see the future, he went for the ball and got it, what follows is just unfortunate timing, and should not result in Danielson getting punished for it. (Lastly lastly, I'm not saying that the injury was overplayed or anything, it was serious and i hope he'll be alright)
The part about “not refuting the red card” is not my argument it’s a detail to highlight how player felt about this situation.
As unfortunate as it is it’s literally written that dangerous challenge are punishable by a red card regardless of the intent . (did Idrissa Gueye tried to kick Gundogan? Clearly not, still a red)
You’re right on how the challenge played out, but the question is, do you think it’s a dangerous challenge ? I think it is.
>Idrissa Gueye tried to kick Gundogan
Gueye-Gundogan doesn't help your argument, it tanks it. Gueye's challenge was late, Gundogan had already hit the ball cleanly and then having made the play ended up with a cleat in his calf. That's a penalty, regardless of intent, sure. Getting to the ball first and making the play makes all the difference, or should. That's what players are responsible for, not what other players do to get themselves hurt. It clearly was a dangerous play, but that danger was created by the Ukranian player's poor play, not the Swede.
I use this exemple as a counter point to the idea that "intent always play a role in deciding if a challenge is a red card or not" I don't try to make a comparison of the two situation.
I'm just arguing about this, because most of the talk I see around here against this red is "he didn't try to hurt him, so no red", retrospectively it may not be a red (I exaggerated when I said it's a "textbook red", it’s a complex situation), but if it's not a red that's not because "oops he didn't wanted to do that".
Deserved win in the end. Sweden just hoped to make something happen through Forsberg. Isak and Kulusevski did not show up or they were nullified. It was quite a shitty game, but at least Ukraine tried different things and showed much more fighting spirit and initiative. hope they'll have the legs to put up half a fight like this against England.
Both teams played horribly, i honestly don't think any of them deserved to win, but the whole situation is just stupid, the red card was bullshit and it gave Ukraine the win. I was prepared to be sad and ashamed because of how badly my country played (Sweden) instead i just got pissed at the referee.
well I just don't think the red card was bullshit. his studs were up and the challenge was high. the main problem was not the ref but that the attack didn't get going: Isak was hidden in the pocket, and all those inside crosses were dealt with easily, and it was predictable and repetitive. yes they hit the post twice (Ukraine also did once) but that was more Forsberg inventing things. plus they kept on leaving spaces for the counter, a better team would've scored earlier.
You know Ukraine didn't play in yellow, right?
I hope you're kidding man
not even, their game was of survival, harassing, and counter. it was... not brilliant but they did frustrate the Swedes. and once they had the man advantage they looked to pounce and pounce they did. Sweden was very disappointing going forward, with the exception of Forsberg, and they could've conceded earlier.
I think we both watched different games mate.
maybe, I know many people tend to watch only the more attacking side.
That Muller miss lol
Hope Ukraine wins against England then lose against Denmark.
/No offense Ukraine. It's just it's our nordic brothers.
Ukraine will not lose against Denmark.
I think Denmark are the clear favourites in that matchup. They have been playing amazing all tournament (disregarding the Finland mu)
They even played very well in the Finland match, considering their friend almost died in front of them.
Yeah that game would have been an easy dub if Erikden didn't almost fucking die, still can't understand how the hell they decided to keep ongoing with the match not even a day after.
It was a subtle joke, Denmark can only win against Ukraine if they beat us, Czechs.
Oh... The sweet word "revenge" )
Denmark Belgium is de finale
Nah, Denmark - Switzerland my boi.
wouldnt mind tbf
Very undeserved win for Ukraine. Can't wait to see England embarass them in the semis.
Leave some salt in the ocean brother
How is it undeserved? Teams were 50/50 the whole game
Don't mind him, just another butthurt Swede.
Jokes on you - ukrainian team is fueled by embarrassments.
I did it. His mouth is stinky with my big farts.
Video or it didn’t happen
Tfw you wait 30 min for pens and they score a goal in the last minute of the match
Me too lmao I was expecting it until goal
Lol literally me
Alright, gimme a Belgium / Denmark final, that would be epic.
SLAVA UKRAYINA!! N
Yeah I'm cheering for russia now, get those nazis out of crimea.
I honestly think Denmark will play the finals. Such an amazing team.
Ikr, they're hungry for it. Hope they make it all the way and this form continues even after the tournament.
Why not Italy or Switzerland?
I understand that Denmark is your team, but come on, Italy have looked great to watch.
No one deserves to get to the final though. Whoever wins deserves.
Italy was mostly really interesting to watch imo
I still want an all-white-cross-on-red-background final!
Please win it, Danmark.
They interviewing the Swedish Captain rn he is absolutely heartbroken omg leave that man alone
Why? This is nothing new, they always suck in playoffs, its not 1958
Forgetting 94 or the fact that they literally knocked out Germany last cup to get to the Quarters.
Not to be pedantic but you knocked out Switzerland in the Ro16 at the last World Cup, Germany actually beat you 2-1 in groups and were knocked out by South Korea in the last round I think
Yep. I mean we finished first in the group, so sure, indirect knockout. But we can't really say we knocked them out
Arsenal type of game by us.. playing well, creating more but still loosing. Now we blame luck and the refs. Shouldve won it during regular time and we got punished. Shit sucks but well done Ukraine and good luck v England.
Ukraine repping group c, not what I expected but I'll take it
Well atleast I can enjoy the rest of the tournament without any nerves
Wait Did he get a yellow for taking his shirt off?
Taking shirt off is yellow since 1864.
I know it’s a yellow card offence I just didn’t seen the yellow card marker on my screen. I was more so asking why he didn’t get one. I Must not have been paying attention
That's a good book!
So many salty fans here lol
Goddamn it stinks
How the hell has no one in here ever seen a sports tracker before
Coz they're all casuals. Seeing all them comments made me realise why the sub seems so shit and toxic recently
This is one of the downsides of Euros and the WC.
Well when you only watch major tournaments that happen every 4 years....
Glöm aldrig slaget vid Lund
Jag är inte ens svensk!
Yellow and blue friends have now become yellow and blue enemies after this game, why's everyone so salty
Sweden should have closed it out in second half.
Ref had a weird Ukraine bias. Players ended up catering to that bias with diving.
Right. Bias. Weak, pathetic, boring, underwhelming, now there's bias. What else will you guys think of?
Just accept it. It's sports. All kinds of things happen. Reading these comments make me sick, so much hate that is uncalled for. That's not the spirit of sports.
> That's not the spirit of sports.
Neither is unfairness which is what we're complaining at. A ukrainian player literally laid down to scream for 50 seconds while being untouched by the swedish defender. No card. Kulusevski lightly touched the arm of a Ukrainian player, yellow card. Berg being kneed in the head? No card. It's clear you didn't watch the game if you think this is what sports is about. Nearly no football was played.
You just enter every thread and make an anti Ukraine comment. Why would anyone listen to your bullshit? Username checkouts, classic.
I did watch it, and I enjoyed it until the very end, instead of being a frustrated internet commenter.
> I enjoyed it
Ah, you're a football hate watcher then.
No, I try to enjoy the sports, instead of acting like a douche online, compensating for lack of any serious achievements in my own life.
I'm completely fine with my own achievements. Does that mean you can't get infuriated with unfairness in a sports game which you hyped for many days? It turned out to be a terrible game of football.
Ah, you should have started by saying you're a Swede. It makes sense now. I never thought you guys are a bunch of losers that can't face defeat.
Yeah, you're on the internet calling me a loser and unachieved person for being irritated. You're a mature and responsible person for sure. Cya.
Obviously, yes, because you're the one being an irritating prick, crying about the loss of your national team, instead of facing the defeat and congratulating the opponent like a gentleman.
That's a trait of a loser.
No, its all on sweden. Biggest issue is that they just cant score
Very timid strategy and I think that comes back to coaching. The only players attempting to push anything forward were Forsberg and Olsson.
Forsberg really hit a new level, finally. Olsson was active on midfield but did he really create much? Dejan had a great start, but felt like they were 100% to score on heading. I wish they shoot more around penalty line, than doing thoose lift ins to x5 ukraine player areas. Forsberg could have scored a hattrick aswell.. Just sad the whole thing, finally they played pretty offensive which they usually doesnt and it just turns into this flopp.
Well that last halftime and OT was a shitshow. Now off to root for Denmark during the rest of the tournament
Hoppas inte du är svensk
The path to the final couldn't be any easier for England.
Doesn't work like that though. Just ask France And Holland.
Plenty of people thought that in the last world cup.
Swiss aren’t exactly walk in the park though
probably helped that they had zero travel so far in the tournament lol
Just let them keep thinking that. The more confident they are the more likely they’ll bottle it
They can't bottle something that easy surely
Oh believe me, they can.
He’s right, we really can
But I’m all seriousness, you’re a good team, we’ll have to play well. Yarmolenko worries me.
You can apparently
Lots of Swedes in here trying to argue with one of the most textbook examples of "red-card deserving reckless ~~challenge~~ play" I've ever seen
Edit: Changed challenge to play because some people didn't like my choice of terminology. Still a red, whatever you want to call it.
I am swedish and im not arguing the red card at all. What i would argue about is the referee 100% giving Ukraine everything.
For there to be a reckless challenge there needs to be a challenge to begin with.
Danielson is first on the ball, he kicks it, the Ukrainian player then runs into him from his blind angle. Ergo it wasn't a challenge to begin with and so, by definition, it cannot be a reckless challenge.
It's a dangerous challenge. Straight leg. Knee high. Who gives a shit if he kicks the ball first? When is that used as an excuse for bad and dangerous challenges?
If you've veen watching football for more than a month you should know this.
Lol, you've clearly never played football
It's not a challenge, it's a kick on the ball and the Ukrainian runs into the Swede from the Swedes blind angle. It's the Ukrainians fault because he arrives late to the ball. Of course it's super unfortunate that he gets hit on the knee, but the swede is kicking the ball, not going in for a challenge, it's the Ukrainian's own fault for being late.
Are you saying that players cannot kick the ball when it's in the air anymore? Don't be ridiculous, you see this kind of thing a thousand times, usually when an attacking player has attempt on goals, follows through and hits the defender on the leg, this time it's unlucky and hits the knee instead.
Lol and you clearly don't know the rules of football
Pretentious people on here who legit don't know what they're talking about but like to pretend. If you think it's not a red card I have one thing to say
Lol pretentious people like Gary Lineker and van der Vaart, people who actually have played the sport on a professional level. It's the sofa-refs on reddit who are being a bunch of pretentious twats.
When you see the professional refs commenting on it, they are saying "it can be given", not that it should be given.
You clearly don't watch football often enough
You've clearly never played football
Bad luck, I actually was a referee myself. L
Lol, bad luck, so was I
Don't even have to ask why you're not a referee anymore, if you don't see a red card being justified there, lol
The only kind football you've ever touched has clearly egg shaped.
But yes, it's not a red card, because it's not a challenge. Sure, he has a stretched leg, but he's completely justified in having it stretched because he's kicking the ball, are you saying that players cannot kick the ball when it's in the air? You're being ridiculous and I don't trust for a second that you've ever ref'd anyone older than 5.
The Ukrainian is coming in too late for the ball, in the Swede' s blind angle. No red.
I’m a Canadian neutral and agreed completely. Makes my blood boil that these important matches are decided on stupid refereeing
Yea it's unfortunate when a player commits a foul and gets a red card for it.
It's crazy how many redditors think they know the rules of the game better than the fucking refs that are at the tournament
Why aren't you refereeing this tournament?
1. There was a VAR check
2. There are professionals in the VAR room
3. Referee changed the decision after reviewing the footage provided by VAR team
You're clearly biased if you dispute that there should have been a red card.
Sure, mate. Sure. Whatever you say. Isn't it kind of late in Denmark? Time to go to bed.
Doesn't matter who was the first on the ball, you can't go with the straight leg like that. That's 100% times leads to a very serious injury
He kicked the ball straight up. Not sure how you ever gonna kick the ball without a straight leg tbh, ever seen a penalty with a 'crooked' leg? o. O
You can't fight for the ball like that, that's football 101. The leg should be slightly bent in order to retreat it when you collide with someone
Okay don't call it a "challenge" then. It's a reckless play. Pedantry doesn't make it less deserving of a red.
It's not, it's unfortunate as hell, but it's not a reckless challenge. It shouldn't be a red
The Swedish had his cleats on the Ukrainian player knee (that bent sideways because of the impact) this is a textbook red.
It was clearly vise versa, the Ukrainian runs into the swede as he kicks the ball, you see it a million times during a match where a striker tries to hit the ball but follows through and hits a player, it's never more than a yellow.
This was extremely unfortunate, but completely unintentional from the Swede and actually mainly the Ukrainians fault because he comes too late for the ball .
Tournament has been rife with poor and inconsistent decisions.
It is the yellow on Forsberg before that annoys me more